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Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

Tom9798 — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:37:48 -0000

As a side note . . . let me add that Jay has an extraordinary opportunity presented to him . . .

He can take over the team . . . show up Monday . . . state that this is "My team" . . . . and solidify a leadership role . . . .

Pat Bowlen will turn to McD and say . . . "told you" . . . and McD will realize that trading Jay won't ever be an option . . .

If he does not show up . . . that opportunity will be lost . . . and what happens from there is a crapshoot . . .

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

Tom9798 — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:50:19 -0000

Thanks Mr. East . . . I felt I had to lend some levity and humor to a situation that is close to becoming a real tragedy . . . if you read my blog at #72 and add Bus Cook as one of the flamethrowers, I really feel that Jay might be persuing and causing his own demise at Denver . . .

I'm hoping that he fires Bus Cook over the weekend and shows up Monday at Dove Valley . . . I do not believe he is going to find happiness or a better matched team to play with in the NFL than Denver . . . . unfortunately . . . the grass always looks greener. . . .

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

Mr.East — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:43:31 -0000

Tom,

That was the most interesting and strangest thing I have ever read in my time at Bronco Talk. Thank you for that.

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Tom9798 — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:58:39 -0000

I left what I really think at blog #72 . . . . I think the time is right for the alternative point of view . . . .

A senior Analyst . . . a source “with the force” has just revealed that Jay Cutler flew to Tampon Bay over the weekend . . . .

Disguised as Ziggy Marley . . . Jay put aside his Tuoca wineskin and left-handed cigarette long enough to say he was crushed by the revelation that Bill Belichick was really his father and that Philip Rivers was his long estranged brother . . .

. . . said Jay, “I don’t care where I land, as long as it is the left coast of Florida . . . can you dig these palm trees? . . . I’m tired of freezing my can off . . . getting my can kicked and yelled at all the time by everybody . . . even Philip gives me grief and they ended 8-8! . . . anyway . . . if you think I’m going to show up Monday for some kind of conditioning crap . . . sit back . . . roll another fat one . . . and this time don’t bogart the damn thing! . . .

The senior analyst stated . . . “That whole Pro-Bowl thing was stressful for Jay . . . and all the goings on in the last few weeks have presented him with far too many aspects to consider what with these off-season conditioning programs and such . . . maybe in a few more weeks he will be “with the force” . . . but probably not anywhere that it’s cold.” . . .

Thanks . . . and we’ll call you . . . .

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

(dee) — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:17:29 -0000

maybe simms can be the guy? wait.... did I type that?

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champ2203 — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:14:01 -0000

i heard jim plunkett is a free agent. LOL maybe we can work something out.

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Colorancher — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:49:38 -0000

Who listens to those liberals at CBS4 anyway. That station is a joke !!!
For news and sports. Ingnore the media until you here it from the source.(Cutler or Mcdaniels) We have talked about gossip for a week and a half now. Getting old..

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Colorancher — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:39:32 -0000

T- Money,
You should write these stories. You are 100% right on most of these topics, or we just think alike.

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

Mr.East — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:10:51 -0000

champ,

Respect is a two way road. McDaniels needs to respect that Cutler is the franchise QB and Cutler needs to respect that McDaniels is the head coach and he can do what he wants.

Perhaps they should compromise and meet in Missouri to talk... haha.

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

champ2203 — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:06:35 -0000

I just watched around the horn earlier and everyone was on cutlers side except one dude. I think cowlishaw said it best if Cutler didn't come to denver for the face to face meeting then hop on Bowlen's private jet and go meet with him in Nashville, show him respect and I think that would have patched everything up by reaching out to jay.

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Mr.East — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:28:26 -0000

Barry b,

Thanks for your prophecy it really means so much to everyone on this site. Please tell me everything else that's going to happen in the next 4-5 years I'm very curious.

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barry b — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:04:56 -0000

The Broncos are already destryoed before the first game is even played post Shanahan. How does it feel broncos fans. To have a once great franchise destroyed by stupidity. Cutler is 25 coming off his first probowl he deserves alittle respect. I live in Steeler country and to think of the steelers doing something so dumb is laughable. Enjoy your next 4-5 seasons below .500

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Troy D — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:26:57 -0000

I think what all of this bruhaha shows is, again, just how valuable Mike Shanahan really was. I think it is McD who is too impressed with himself and doesn't know the lay of the land. Since the Broncoes are still paying him anyway, they need to cut their losses with McD and do what it takes to get Mike back, as soon as possible. Even if he is just coach and not the GM, it is logically the best solution to a rapidly deteriorating situation. Pat needs to go to McD and say,"Sorry, this just isn't working", give him a check and a pat on the back and show him the door! McD is not Belicheck, nor, sadly is he Shanahan.

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Mr.East — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:23:55 -0000

True that ryan. I agree with you it's heart breaking watching an "almost" year every season. The source of my frustration comes from the lack of unity on the team, and this is even a tough job for Dr.Phil.

Stav - Well put.

T-Money - It's always great to see you create the bold command in the comments haha.

(dee) - It's tormenting these days. We all just have to wait for the workouts come Monday and see how that goes. All I know is that I wouldn't want to be Josh McDaniels.

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

ryan — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:48 -0000

East, I guess we can just agree to disagree. Sad fact is that we are all Bronco fans here and I hate that I feel pitted against others who want the same thing I do more than anything else; for the Broncos to win Super Bowls.

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T-Money — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:26:17 -0000

Stav- Agreed

ALL, meaning every single article, is written for a 5th grade reading level. That also leaves the door open to false interpretation (like the avbove 70 something posts) spin (this "source"), judgment, false leads and generally, almost always, not the entire truth.

Just give it some time. You guys dove all over this about 3 hours after it happened. When has the full story EVER come out that quickly.

And please tell me who you would WANT to trade cutler for. Derek Anderson? Brady Quin? Vince Young? Matt Lienert?

How about we go to the colts and try to get Peyton Manning or the Giants and get Elie. Hell I hear that the Steelers are shopeing Big Ben (you see what i did... i went media style).

You're not going to get anyone better than Cutler. Only lesser QBs. Not to mention that they whole point behind the NFL is to win a Championship. How is trading away you best chance (you're reasons: he's a cry baby, he's immature...nice excuses. You guys sound like you 6 years old) of winning a championship.

I'll say this again. WAIT FOR THE DENVER BRONCOS ORGANIZATION TO MAKE A STATEMENT BEFORE YOU JUST TO CONCLUSIONS.

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Stav — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:10:06 -0000

Charlie - We are in 100% agreement. If Schefter doesn't report it, I tend to view a story with some degree of suspect.

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Stav — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:06:14 -0000

Its unbelievable that so many of you want to pin Cutler 100% for the lack of playoffs. Let's try and be rational fans who know our s**t, and not trash like the Raiders and Dolts fans, and admit that giving up 400+ points in back to back seasons was the real reason why we didn't get into the playoffs. As I've said several times in different threads, when 7 rb's go down, most offenses would just fold, Cutler is the only reason we were in the hunt for the AFC west this year. You all want to pick on Cutler, how about no pass rush, how about being gashed for big plays multiple times per game, how about revolving safeties of which none knew how to wrap and tackle. WAKE UP!!

Cutler is hyper-sensitive, a whiner, who might be seeing big change on the horizon and thinks McD is going to reel his arm back in. But his arm is a Howitzer, he can make the impossible throws, and he's got the chip on his shoulder attitude of that QB who says: give me two minutes and the ball at the 5, we'll get the 6pts. Its love/hate for him. We all want him to keep his mouth shut but we all want him to keep throwing those bee-bees in an orange and blue jerrsey. Out of 17-20, how many games can we honestly say he was at fault for the loss? Start looking at the other side of the ball people, Shanny (all praise due to him) had no idea what he was doing in drafting/signing defensive players.

McD, you obviously F'd up with this whole thing. How could this idiot think that Cassel is better? How could he think we'd ever get equal value back? To everyone saying trade for the #1 and get Stafford, are you really football fans? What are the chances that a rookie can come in a replace a young Pro Bowl QB just starting to reach his prime? I get it though, your team your rules, lay down the law. I got no problem with that. But as the boss, you don;t try and reconcile with your most important employee by saying "any and all players could be traded." Give me a break, try and be original and not pull this Belichek crap, be your own man, not some cheap carbon copy of a robot. Work this mess out and get on the same page. If he loses Cutler, what are the chances he loses several players? Better than 50/50. He wants to be the boss, damage control is the key.

Last point, I don;t care if you're right or wrong, but if the man who signs your checks calls you, you don't let it get to him calling you back a second time. Period. Now that's a lack of respect plain and simple. I'm sure Cutler's parents didn;t raise him to be that way, and I'd actually like to see what they have to say about the way he's handled this.

Long post, sorry.

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

charlie — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:36:59 -0000

Hey all, I'm a "source close to Cutler". Turns out he is gay and wants to quit football to play handball with Jake Plummer.

Unless it comes strait out of Adam Schefters mouth, don't believe it!

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Jim — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:13:33 -0000

Maybe. But dumb - S^&t Bowlen made a strange decision by letting go Shanahan for this guy. Also, Bates and the QB coach are gone. He has to learn a new, dry, boring offense from this guy. I don’t blame him a bit. I would ask for a trade now. Stop the media play and melo dramatics. Broncos need to get into the market for a QB or draft one.

Re: McDaniels and Cutler Speak

Tom9798 — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:48:14 -0000

jvill . . . good points made . . . allow me to expand on the one I feel lends most credence to the situation . . . remember . . . this is just a possibility . . .

Jay Cutler decided in his heart that he no longer wanted to be part of the Bronco organization when Shannahan was fired . . . period.

He was extremely unhappy with Pat Bowlen and felt betrayed that this man could have fired his coach . . .

He did not know McD or Xanders at the time . . . and it didn't matter . . .

When they were hired . . . losing Jeremy Bates . . . the trade fiasco . . . have all poured fuel on the flames . . .

He has not answered Pat Bowlen's phone calls for one reason . . . he does not like Pat Bowlen and no longer wants to work for the man.

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(dee) — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:35:07 -0000

As a team we must be united, divided we will fall. Thinking back every Bronco Player that has not fit into our team concept has been released (J Walker, Ashley Lelie, etc)

Mr Bowlen is fully committed to his coach, I think Cutler was spoiled because of Shanahan's man crush on him. If Cutler does not fall into line he will be traded, and you know what? ... The Broncos will survive, The Broncos will win, Jay Cutler is not bigger than the Broncos... and I hate fans that are treating him like he is the savior we have been waiting for ... The only thing he has saved his from since his time in Denver is getting to watch playoff games.

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(dee) — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:23:41 -0000

Mr East

Forget it, alot of fans will back Cutler blindly because they are hurt at the fact McD tried to trade him. In my opinion a grown ass man shouldnt pout every time something doesnt go his way. A team leader doesnt blame his defense in losses, an elite quarterback let's his play do his talking for him... but Cutler is not elite.

I'm thinking if Cutler doesnt show up Monday, you trade him... cut the cord now. I'm so annoyed at Cutler thinking everyone has to bend over for him. Bottom line in my opinion Cutler wants out, he doesnt want to be apart of this team, and the trade talks were his opportunity. Think about it, when the trade was discussed his reaction wasnt "let me talk to the organization, or I have no comment" ..... his initial comments were "I liked it here, but I guess I'm not going to be here" ....

Mr East .... alot of people are Cutler fans first and Broncos Fans second. Cutler hasnt done anything for us, people say he had no defense well Indy won a superbowl with no defense.

Cutler is a above average Cutler back, who has mental lapses and can win you a game, however AS WE HAVE SEEN IN DENVER he can cost you a game by throwing 2-3 Ints.

DENVER BRONCOS ORGANIZATION ... end this annoying period in our team history if he misses Monday then you trade his whiny little bitch ass.

Jay Cutler is a bigger Punk than Phillip Rivers, and I never thought I'd say that. At least Rivers sticks it to the other team, not his own team.

Ok Jay Cutler lovers, I'm ready for your backlash... proceed....

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Candide — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:56:42 -0000

It's still all about the Benjamins, boys. Cutler wants to be paid. By the Broncos, or by someone else. It's really a no lose proposition for him.

Not so good for the Broncos however. It looks like the the 2 phone calls not returned to Bowlen turned the tide. Telling your starting QB to get in line at this point will not produce good results. I think he's long gone. And McDumbshit better be looking for a new QB.

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Richard — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:39:17 -0000

jvill don't be naive. People that employ YOU lie to you all the time. As an employee, you take it in exchange for that paycheck. One of the problems with Shanahan's last years as coach was a lack of discipline, and for better or worse thats one of the things Bowlen hired McD to restore. If little Jay can't deal with that, or won't, then he's GONE. And in the long run we'd be better off without him. He either grows up and acts like an adult or let him NOT ACCOMPLISH anything somewhere else, such as Detroit. See my earlier post # 56