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Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Gary R. — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:50:22 -0000

Jordan C:

Love the "Star Wars" analogy. Very creative.

Where I blog the amount of McDoofus-hating is way-higher.

Gee, I wonder why that is?

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Tom9798 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:59:08 -0000

Ian . . . . I've read many of your posts before with great interest . . . this was your worst by far . . . .

Your flippant comments and foul language do you no justice . . .

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

rcsodak — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:41:55 -0000

Sirius NFL Radio had MEvans from "The Fan" and Krieger from the Post, and asked them if Cutler would be Denver's QB this fall.
Krieger-No
Evans-yes

Part of me says "vanish him the depths of hell"....while another part of me doesn't want him to end up being a thorn in Denver's side for the next 10+years on another team.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

postalmoose — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:20:27 -0000

I love how everyone is now jumping ship from being on Cutler's side! Since all this started on the second day of free agency I have been one of the fw behind the Broncos all the way. Now as we here more and more coming out about Cutler and his ass agents behavior in all this now everyone is getting behind the Broncos, as they should. I love this article because it plainly states the truth....Cutler is a dick! I have heard for the last two years that very few on his own team like him and isn't it important to have your team respect you at least. And isn't it funny how no one on this team is backing Cutler up? Goes to show the real nature of kid petulance! Who cares how the Broncos handled the original trade stuff, Cutler and his agent overreacted looking to get an upper hand and now that has blown up in their faces. Good riddance Jay you could have been a star here but now you will be another player to waste his talent because your ego is to big and your agent is only looking out for himself!

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Richard — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:26:26 -0000

kerry the changes you list are definitely going to take work to overcome, but, we'll still be a top ten offense, there's just too much talent to drop too far especially with a proven system that works. The defense will improve from horrific to at least fair, and as an optimist I think top 20. That gets us 4-2 in the division, and I believe 5-5 out. The division was won with an 8-8 record, and San Die-ego plays the same teams we do. 9-7 minimum.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

kerry — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:00:21 -0000

jordan C:

told you what would happen if you ever agreed with me or spoke out against this team even though its in total chaos with no end in sight. the fact if the matter is that this team, even with Cutler in this upcoming year, may only win 6-8 games anyway due to the tough schedule, new coaches, new defense and offensive scheme and Mcdaniels poaching of the team chemistry. most keep going on and on about Cutler like he is gonna win us the division this year when in fact this year is a total rebuilding year regardless if he is here or not.

but this is how it will shape up, Cutler and McDaniels eventually have a meeting without the agent present and things get hashed out, if not, Cutler gets traded on draft day. im betting he gets traded draft day with our 12 pick to Cleveland and we end up with Brady Quinn and the number 5 overall pick.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jordan C — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:41:25 -0000

Richard -

I would rather have had Shanahan start realizing that he's a head coach and not a god or a GM. If he'd have hired a real defensive coordinator and let the personnel department do their jobs by getting real defensive players, the team would have been in the best situation. But he didn't, so we're moving on.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jordan C — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:36:59 -0000

You guys are turning me into kerry. I'm not being that negative - well, not yet. Just because I have conflicted feelings about the new coach and some his reckless decisions (and the prima donna QB), doesn't make me a fair-weather fan. It means I actually care, but I'm willing to look at the situation fairly.

If believing that you're team is going to win the Super Bowl every year is the definition of a "true fan", then I'm out. I hope for the Super Bowl every year and I expect it when it makes sense.

I'm discouraged about the team now, because I had tons of hope when McD was hired and he started off with all the right FA moves.

I was a proponent of McD and Nolan within a few days of Shanahan getting fired and I said as much on this site. That's why, with all this BS, I along with many others, are a bit disappointed in general.

I'm beginning to think that with Cutler's salary of just over $1 mil this year, the team will stick him on the bench, hold out or not, until he changes his tune. Cutler will want to play too much to stick out the year. If not, then trade him. I don't think that the value of a 26 year old pro bowl QB will be much lower than a 25 year old QB. If, by this time next year, Cutler is still pouting, get something else for him and draft Sam Bradford.

I still like my analogy. And I still hate Belichek.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

MN BRONCOS FAN — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:34:41 -0000

Great read, couldn't have said it better myself.

I actually am starting to respect McD. I saw the video of Jabar G. stating that he is like Belicheck with the "no one is above the team" attitude and I think Denver could benefit from this mindset.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Richard — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:15:04 -0000

Jordan C We have been on the Patriots west road since McD was hired.
Would you rather have another 8-8 season with a Horrible D( another season with Slowik), or a 10-6 playoff season?

PS Our souls were bought and paid for when we became Bronco Fans. Except for me, of course, I'm Agnostic.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

OC Bronco — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:14:05 -0000

I'm sick and tired of everyone talking about giving up on the team because our coach stood up to a player who is quite clearly the biggest baby in the NFL. I understand that there are reasons to be upset with the franchise.... ie fire sale on the best players to save money and not caring about the fans but this is NOT the case here.

McDaniel's hasn't flown to TN because he is too busy signing free agents and preparing our team. He wants Cutler at Dove Valley more than anyone on this blog but he can't just relent. You think the players would be motivated by a bitch for a coach? Is that what some of you really want?

This negativity about the organization is ridiculous whether you think McDaniel's has handled this properly or not. Go root for the Steelers or whoever you think has the best shot to win the 'Bowl next year fair weather fans!

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

T-Money — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:48:34 -0000

Here are a few videos that I'm sure everybody has watched but they all make for some sense. Rod Woodsen is actually fairly descent in all of these:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?v...
http://www.nfl.com/videos?v...
http://www.nfl.com/videos?v...

As this continues to drag out, I have a growing feeling that no one can afford cutler's price tag which is designed by McD. I don't know if he's going to go.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jordan C — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:31:36 -0000

*Obi Wan

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jordan C — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:30:09 -0000

A Broncos/Star Wars allegory is starting to emerge in my head -

Belichek - The Emperor fools the general public and trains his pupil...
McDaniels - Darth Vader is otherwise successful, but fails to bring his most important apprentice on board...
Cutler - Luke Skywalker doesn't buy his potential mentor's bullshit, after he was educated by his seasoned and successful master...
Shanahan - Yoda is in exile...
Plummer - Obi Was is also in exile...

And somehow Bus Cook is Jar Jar.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

jcampb72 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:19:06 -0000

East, I don't know why you keep going back to peyton. He's a special guy. One of the best QB's to ever play the game. The guy seems like he created the audible and can read most defenses with his eyes closed. Cutler is no peyton manning. But when he won peyton was in his like 6 year, not sure exactly, but I know it wasn't his third year. Give cutty some time, the dudes like 25 years old. What peyton did is extremely rare. Look back 10 years and his team was the only team with a soft D, but even they had playmakers and caught fire when they hit the playoffs.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jordan C — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:16:21 -0000

MIIster EEEast -

Do you really have to ask? Is winning worth you're team's/fans' souls? Wait - don't answer that.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Katch22 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:12:33 -0000

$20 bucks Cutler stays. No trade sounds good enough for us to let him go! I'm so happy Cook is finaly getting his named turned to mud for a change!!!

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Mr.East — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:53:05 -0000

Jordan C,

Hoping Denver will not be like the Patriots West is like hoping the 1994 Broncos would not be the AFC 49ers when Shanahan took over. The 49ers just won a Super Bowl, their system worked. McDaniels system worked too. Why hate on success?

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jordan C — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:38:50 -0000

Deep down, I was really hoping that Denver would not become Patriots West. I don't think that I'm going to get my wish.

I'm still willing to be patient, though. I'm not giving up on them, yet.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Monty — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:24:14 -0000

Let me paint a really, really unpretty picture.

We can't stop the run.
We can't stop the pass.
We can sorta run the ball.
Without Jay Cutler...
We can't throw the ball.

I'm not convinced the defense will be improved because we're looking at a transition year into a new scheme. I was willing to deal with the honeymoon season. But McD's decisions... geez... I'm fed up with the McBroncos already.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Richard — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:55:04 -0000

Jordan C With all the BS over "he who can't be named", I think we do much better than the McD bashers think. Even if we are without you know who we still play competitively on offense. D has nowhere to go but up, and I figure we go 4-2 in the division, and 5-5 out. Should be enough in the AFC worst to get into the playoffs. Should we sneak in an unexpected win somewhere, we go 10-6.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jordan C — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:08:55 -0000

(dee) -

I was thinking about the Broncos and their chances at the playoffs/SB for 2009. I was assuming that with a new system, it would take the team a year or two to gel. While I still think that that is the case, based on the really tough schedule, I will grant you that if the Broncos are able to beat enough of their extra-divisional opponents to make the playoffs, then they will have proven to me that they've got as good a shot as anybody to make a run at the Super Bowl.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I expect the Broncos to either miss the playoffs next year or to be a serious Super Bowl contender. There's no middle ground for this team in 2009.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

TD30ismvp — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:31:17 -0000

ooops...I meant Poison.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

TD30ismvp — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:29:38 -0000

The ONE thing I admire about the Patriots is that no matter who they lose to injury or free agency they still were highly competetive, they had a great sense of TEAM (wide receiver playing DB) and put nobody above the team. We NEED that here again and as much as I like Cutler it would seem McDaniels is bringing that here as well and Cutler (with all his talent) might not be as good for us as a less talented team oriented QB would. I love Cutler but if he is poisen in the locker room (going forward) then we will be better off with someone else.

Re: On Space Oddities and Ground Control – McDaniels to Cutler

Jason — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:20:42 -0000

Socal Den Fan,
Exactly.

Also, if a defense allows 30+ points to be scored it generally means the offense couldn't convert 3rd downs or was turning it over.

We have between now and draft day (likely closer to draft day) to see if something is going to happen. Likely nothing if not by/on draft day.